They began to exchange contradictory words, so we advised His Excellency that there was no need for them to adorn themselves with each other now, and that this was not a matter to be discussed, as, praise be to God, it had not produced the slightest harmful thing. So the two fell silent, and the discussion was opened by His Excellency the dejected Effendi and His Excellency 'Aks Pasha regarding undertaking a matter and what the experts' information was about the existence or non-existence of water. His Excellency the dejected Effendi replied that these were the experts, and it was necessary to inquire from them about what Your Excellency was asking, so that it would be known by your methods. This was conveyed to His Excellency, and he summoned Ahmad Subh and inquired from him if he knew the direction of Al-'Uqaylah. He replied, "Yes." He asked if there were forests on its route. He replied, "There were no dense forests, only light trees and early crops, and the army could pass through it easily." He asked about its distance. He said it was like the distance between Shat and Al-Dawham. He asked if its location was on the Nile, which is Al-Ghurayr, as you say. He replied, "Yes, Al-'Uqaylah is not a known town in itself, but rather a point where there is a well they call Al-'Uqaylah, and next to it are many grazing areas, and all of them are called the regions of Al-'Uqaylah. The location of this well is on the bank of the Nile's wadi. Has the existence of water in the wadi been confirmed?" He replied, "Yes, it fills with rain every year, and water flows in it throughout the year. Due to its vastness, they call it a very great Nile." He asked, "Did you live here before, or how is your information about it?" He replied that he had lived in these areas for ten years and was a merchant at that time, and he knew its reality and used to travel to and from it. He informed him of the direction and the arrival of another person. His brother Bakr arrived, and he asked him all this. He replied in the same sense as the first, except if he was ruling in these areas during the time of Musa Pasha, the first Governor-General of Sudan. He informed him of the direction and the arrival of another. Bakr, his brother, arrived, and he asked him all this. He replied in the same sense as the first, except if he was ruling in these areas during the time of Musa Pasha, the first Governor-General of Sudan. Then Bakr arrived one after another, and they replied in a way that did not deviate. They all knew the reality of the point they were heading to and more. It was said by Ahmad Subh, the first expert, that there had been water midway between here, Turali, and Al-'Uqaylah. He thought there was water there. Considering what the two experts had stated about the existence of water, it was assumed that there was water midway on the route they mentioned. His Excellency 'Aks Pasha desired to summarize this point in two lines for the comfort of the soldiers, and according to what was said, he thought it was a gathering.