He was brought to the palace to clarify his matter, and scholars were summoned to debate him. Ibn Tumart seized the opportunity to increase his admonition of the prince and remind him of his duties towards the subjects. He said to him when the prince asked: "What is this that has reached us about you?" "And what has reached you, O Prince? I am but a poor man, seeking the hereafter. I am not seeking worldly gain, nor do I need it. However, I command good and forbid evil, and you are the most deserving of doing so. For you are responsible for it, and it is incumbent upon you to revive the Sunnah and extinguish innovation. Innovations have appeared repeatedly in your kingdom, and innovations have spread. God has commanded you to change them and revive the Sunnah therein, as you have the power to do so. And you are accountable." "And God Almighty has blamed a nation that abandoned forbidding evil, saying: 'They do not refrain from what they committed; indeed, evil is what they were doing.' (Al-Ma'idah: 79). When one of the scholars present answered the prince that he preferred obedience to God over his own desires and submitted to the truth, Ibn Tumart said: "As for your saying that he prefers obedience to God over his desires and submits to the truth, this statement has been presented for consideration. To know that he is devoid of this quality means he is deluded by what you tell him and harm him with it, even though you know that the argument is directed at him. So, has it reached you, O Judge, that wine is sold openly, and pigs walk among Muslims, and the wealth of orphans is taken?" He listed many such things until the king's eyes welled up with tears and he lowered his head in shame. The prince bore this admonition and lowered his head at this harsh speech, seeing in it truth. He was a righteous man, whose prayers were answered, counted among those who prayed at night and fasted during the day. He asked the scholars to debate the man and test his knowledge. A council was convened for the debate, and the foremost of the scholars was Abu Abdullah Malik bin Wahb al-Andalusi. And since Ibn Tumart surpassed them in his methods of argumentation, which (See: Ibn Abi Zar', Rawd al-Qirtas: 163) (See: Al-Subki, Tabaqat: 164) (See: Al-Marrakushi, Al-Mu'ajib: 165) a traditionist, a scholar in many sciences, but he was stingy with them. (166) He was from the people of Seville, and his death was in Marrakesh. See his biography in Ibn al-Abbar, Al-Silah: 587.